Document (#31511)

Author
Henderson, K.L.
Title
Some persistent issues in the education of catalogers and classifiers
Source
Cataloging and classification quarterly. 7(1987) no.4, S.5-26
Year
1987
Abstract
As librarians approach the second century of formal education for their professionals, some persistent issues in the education of librarians in general and of catalogers and classifiers in particular are idetified. Among the issues discussed are: (1) should catalogers be trained or educated? (2) should practice or theory prevail? (3) should the cataloging faculty be teachers, practitioners, or researchers (or all three)? (4) who shall enroll in cataloging courses? (5) how important do librarians feel that cataloging and classification are for new employees? (6) who is responsible for recruiting and retaining catalogers and for their continuing education?
Footnote
Simultaneously published as Education and Training for Catalogers and Classifiers
Theme
Ausbildung

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